governing body of the sport, i am not sure what exactly kind of information he had about those people, it is the president of the international cycling union, his name is pat mcquaid and heimer brugan who is also an honorary member of the international olympic committee, he is going to come out and give some information about them, amount their involvement in possibly doping, doping him, to the anti-doping agency and it could really bring down the sport. >> rose: how did he get away with it for so long, david? >> there are multiple aspects to that, one is sort of the practical aspect is that the reputation of anti-doping testing, what is done in the lab far, far exceeds its capabilities, so there was this idea, anti-doping, the drug testing, not the legal investigation but what is done in the lab has this reputation among people that, okay, they are passing tests, you don't have to worry about it now we can say it is clean if you pass the test that's fine and lance really used that, never failed a test i am the most tested athlete in history and i think people who sort of follow the s